Thursday, October 16, 2008

What Is Talking About Fiction For? -- IB ENGLISH SECOND PERIOD

There is no point in looking for hidden meanings in everything you read. If a meaning is important, it shouldn’t be hidden. And besides, once you’ve determined what you believe a text might mean, how would you possibly know if the meanings are really there or not? And even if you could confirm those meanings, why spend time talking about it? In short, what is the purpose of crafting an analysis of text? No one benefits from that. The author doesn’t need to know. And whether we analyze a text or not, the text doesn’t change. It’s still there, just like it was before it was analyzed. Whether or not I determine that text Y has a beautiful motif of red, no one’s life gets changed. In fact, the original gets ruined with all that talk talk talk about the text. So what's the point? -- internet blog on English classes

"Talking with friends about books harks back to the original impulse behind storytelling, the forging of human bonds. We have told ourselves stories not just in order to live, but in order to live with one another. Primary storytelling itself is insufficient for the forging of human bonds, for audiences need to talk about the stories they read and to compare their interpretations in order to be sure that they have read the same story. The more isolated from one another readers feel, the more they need such secondary conversations in order to establish a bond with other readers. " --paraphrased from Brian Hall's essay on book groups

"An unfortunate split runs through arts education, reflecting the romantic culture war between creators and critics, between the teaching of art itself and the teaching of art criticism. The assumption is that a great masterpiece is so powerful that it cannot help making an impact on any student who can be brought to read it carefully. If the experience of reading is to mature and be stretched beyond the place where it already is, it needs a critical vocabulary with which to express itself. It is therefore misleading to oppose the firsthand rexperience of reading to secondhand critical analysis about our reading. How we talk about books shapes how we read the books themselves." -- Gerald Graff, "Clueless in Academe"


"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." -- attributed to Sigmund Freu
Respond to these thoughts and to one another. Please use your "joining the conversation" template.

73 comments:

DadaisGalletas said...

I'll agree that sometimes analysis is over done but usually it is good to analyse a subject.

This is not Wilson said...

hello

Jessi-poo<3 said...

Yvette has suggested that anaylsis is ove done at times. I agree with her, but sometimes a piece of text is filled with symbolism and imagery. Therefore, the only way to truely understand the text you are reading, you have to analyze. Sometimes it necessary.

Bengosha said...

I agree with cookie that sometimes it is usually good to analyze a subject, however, if it really doesn't make a difference in the first place there is no point for analytical means.

Miriam Meza said...

I believe that the internet blogger is right when he/she says "There is no point in looking for hidden meanings in everything you read. If a meaning is important, it shouldn’t be hidden."
Becuase if it were important why would you hide it!?!?!!?!

Sternuens said...
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daveyjones said...

i agree with Sigmund Freud because his analysis of the "cigar simply being a cigar" is a very valid outlook on many different aspects of life. Sometimes things are just things, it is almost inappropriate to over analyze things at times. For example the analysis of a spoon representing more than just a spoon would be valuable if their was some context behind it, but when there is no historical context or meaning to a symbol such as a spoon, the analysis of a spoon is unnecessary and useless
-daniel martinez
thats rightt....daniel...although im using davids account..

DadaisGalletas said...

Although I agree with the first quote that literature is always being analysed I don't believe that it is always being overdone. Sometimes we need to analyse literature because most fiction is written with a point. I was once reading an interview about the author of Lolita and he said something along the lines of how he was so tired of people generally over analysing his work so he was going to begin a new work in which there would be no hiden meaning. He said that it was turning out to be hard because everything was being analysed without him even trying to put a meaning behind the face value of the text.

Bengosha said...

For example: A Harry Potter novel can be analyzed to the bare spine revealing patterns, techniques and concepts, but in the end it's just a fantasy novel about a four eyed boy and a magical stick.

Benjamin Barajas said...

Benjamin Barajas-
I agree with Brian Hall's idea that fiction is a away to create bonds between people. For instance he says that it may not be sufficient enough to create the closest bond but it does however create that initial bond to start of a relationship or a friendship with another person.

Blanca said...

Blanca Hernandez
Though I concede to Yvette that analysis is somethimes over done, I insist that it is not usually good to analyze a subject. This is because I dont understand why people would want to find a deeper meaning for things. Why keep digging and digging? Why not just let thing be? Lets just get straight to the point and let things go.

nancy said...

I think the comment coming from an English internet blog is mistaken because the person overlooks the fact that analysis is very important. It's true that analyzing a text doesn't change it but it's still important. When you analyze a text you learn why the text is important. You learn why you have reacted to a text the way that you have. For example, if someone reads a story about a little boy that makes them feel sad by analyzing the text they can conclude that it was because of the certain word choice used.

Ms. Levine said...

So when IS analysis necessary and important? EVER?

loca42009 said...

I think the first response (green) is mistaken because that person overlooks the idea of creating a meaning with description and word choice. It helps create their idea in a more challenging way. What's the point of writing if you are going to express a meaning on the spot. For example, "I love you." Anyone would be able to express this that way. But if they show through detail it would be much more effective: My heart pumped faster and faster as she walked by. Her eyes glistened....."

Jessi-poo<3 said...

SAMARA SPEAKING:

I agree with what Yvette mentioned about text sometimes being analyzed but like Jessica said, it is sometimes necessary to better understand the text. If you dont analyze the text or the symbols or why techniques are used in a text you won't get a good interpretation of the text as if you were to analyze. Now with regards to what Miriam said, I disagree with her. I believe that important meanings are hidden for the mere fact of you figuring it out. For example, there are important lessons in life that are hidden that you have to find out of. Like love, is a hidden emotion but very important.

Sternuens said...

This is Diana Arechar
Yvette has suggested that sometimes analyzing is a good thing and i agree that looking at a text more closley is a good thing. "How we talk about books shapes how we read the books themselves." -- Gerald Graff, "Clueless in Academe" This comment is a good example of why we should look at texts more closely. We must anlayze what we read to further understand the perspective of a text.

Bengosha said...

Why do you disagree with me Miriam when I agree with you?

Miriam Meza said...

I agree with Daniel Martinez that if there is background info. it might have much more meaning.

Danny you;ve fooled us all thinking it was daivid :)

angelica91 said...

Although I agree with Ivette to a certain point, I cannot accept her overall conclusion that it is usually good to analyse a subject. I believe their is certain things that don't really need to be analyzed. For example, in my opinion, I really like reading fiction because it is not something real and those stories interest me. However, I really don't like analyzing something that I enjoyed reading because I believe it takes the fun away. For example, I really enjoyed reading the book The House of the Spirits by Isabel Allende because that book was really fun and interesting. However, when it got to analyze the text well that really took the fun of me wanting to look at that book.

This is not Wilson said...

I disagree with Yvette's view that it is usually good to analys a subject, because some things are presented as they are and don't even break the skin. Although not all crictics think alike , some of them will probably dispute my claim that only what needs interpretation; such as the four arts. Although I grant that speech in refrence to tone will have certain connotaions, I still maitain that like Sigmun Froed "A cigar is sometimes just a cigar."

loca42009 said...

Oh and this is Alicia.

Miriam Meza said...

lol sry brian.
I got my words mixed up

anali91 said...

I disagree with miriam and the first internet blogger that "There is no point in looking for hidden meanings in everything you read. If a meaning is important, it shouldn’t be hidden." Sometimes you have to do some analysis to understand it better. Not everything will be given to you directly.
Anali N.

Franco said...

An internet blog on English classes has suggested that there is no point in analysing texts. I think that blog is mistaken because he/she overlooks the importance of revealing the main message the text is trying to evoke.

I believe this because without understanding what the text is attempting to reveal to you, the text will really lose meaning and then there will definitely be no point to it.

For example, the poem Digging by Seamus Heaney without analysis will come out to be about a guy writing and watching his father dig. That would leave us with the question why that matters to us and why would we care to read about it. However, through analysis we realize that the poem is instead revealing how Heaney feels about not being able to follow in his footsteps which first upsets him. He later realizes that he still follow his father example of being a hard worker but through another method, writting instead of farming. Therefore the message is that you don't need to be able to do the same things are your role model in order to follow their example.

[freebooter]o_0 said...

I disagree with the first post's view that there's no point in looking for hidden meanings within a text, because if the meaning is straight forward you would completely dismiss it. To elaborate more on this, let's consider the following scenerio:
You got home past your curfew. If your parents would have said, "That's bad you can't do it anymore", it would literally go in through one ear and come out the other; you would totally dismiss it. But, if instead your parents ground you, you really learn your lesson that this something you should not do. Similarly, if the text tells the you the meaning in a "right there" form, you really wouldn't ingrave it in your head because it had no impact in you. Whereas if the meaning was hidden, the trouble you went through to decode the meaning will most likely impact you more, thus engraving that meaning in your head.

Benjamin Barajas said...

Although i grant that Daniel/David have a valid point that things are just simply things, I still maintain that sometimes people tend to look at things to simply. Some times people overlook the deeper meaning of things because they to strongly agree with Sigmund Freud's view that a "cigar is sometimes simply a cigar."

[freebooter]o_0 said...

OOPPSS...This was Ana N. by the way.

gina said...

Although I agree with Brian Hall up to a point, I think that the opinion of fiction makes very good point. For example the Plath poems we read last year. We analyzed the heck out of the poems. Ever line and every sentence meant something other than what was literally on the paper. What if Plath in the poem Tulips was just talking about what she experienced in the hospital? What if there was no deeper meaning than that?

Bengosha said...

I think everyone that disagrees with the internet blog on English classes is mistaken because the blogger gives a great reason on their view: "If a meaning is important, it shouldn't be hidden."

Sternuens said...

This is Diana Arechar
Brian has dismissed the concept that Harry Potter is a story about self sacrifice and doing what's right. Besides the magical concepts in the book we like the Harry Potter character because he is a noraml kid who has had to take more responsibilities than he should and we can relate to that. "There is no point in looking for hidden meanings in everything you read. If a meaning is important, it shouldn’t be hidden." I would think that Brian is agreeing with this but of course the important side of the story is hidden and that's what makes the series intersting.

daveyjones said...

i also agree with Sigmund Freud's "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" because i think people at this point are just hoping that there is a greater meaning to everything they read or gives them greater knowledge. It scares me how people and misinterpret or create something out of nothing just because they want there to be something there. It scares me as a photographer and musician because i don't want my message to be distorted or created off someones else's emotions

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This is not Wilson said...

I disagree with Bengosha's view that the harry potter books is just about a magical boy with a stick, because it does have vies of the world we live in now. It allows for the reader who is just normal to traverse in a world where we are special and in essence have a unique secret. All humans have an emotional need of self-worth.

Miri said...

Ultimately, this idea matters to anyone who believes in looking things straight forward. I come to an agreement with most of the posts before me. I'm taking a neutral stand in this argument.
Sometimes it's good to keep analyzation intact because it keeps sometimes the reader or viewer intrigued in reading or paying attention to what's infront of you. For example, a history book and a fairy tale. Sometimes it's boring to read a book of actual facts;when it comes to fantasies, sometimes people are lured to reading them.

Then again, other people don't have the capacity of thinking hard and thinking things over. Analyzing to some seems as a waste of time.

DadaisGalletas said...

Ok, harry potty fan that I am, I would have to disagree with bengosha's opinion that if the Harry Potter books were stripped to the bone they would just be fantasy with no point.(Sorry Brian but I'm hard core Harry Potter pro).
Anyone who has read the series all the way through to the end, not just watched the movies, would notice the scary similarities between He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named and Hitler. Once Voldemort regained power to manifest himself he moved to try to exterminate all "mud-bloods", half wizards or first generation wizards. This being a scary similarity to Hitler exterminating all non aryans.

Anonymous said...

This is Nancy Catalan

I agree with Yvette's theory about over anyalising text, but that it's still good. to do it. For example,when the blog from the internet on english class says "There is no point in looking for hidden meanings in everything you read. If a meaning is important, it shouldn’t be hidden." Like sometimes we think that somethings have greater meanings, but in reality,I don't believe that when the author was writting such text it took so much thinking to create the effects we are analyising. It's like what the attribute to Sigmund Freu says, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

Anonymous said...

This is Nancy Catalan

I agree with Yvette's theory about over anyalising text, but that it's still good. to do it. For example,when the blog from the internet on english class says "There is no point in looking for hidden meanings in everything you read. If a meaning is important, it shouldn’t be hidden." Like sometimes we think that somethings have greater meanings, but in reality,I don't believe that when the author was writting such text it took so much thinking to create the effects we are analyising. It's like what the attribute to Sigmund Freu says, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

Miriam Meza said...

Anali91, in my opinion I believe that if somethings important why hide it and not put it straight forward?
Like you said "Sometimes you have to do some analysis to understand it better."
But what about if someone doesn't know how to or isn;t good at analyzing?
Then the reader will misinterpret the message it wants to be sent?
Shouldnt the message just be straight forward to get its message across ?

nancy said...

Although I disagree with the comment written in the english internet blog I still agree to some point with David and Sigmud Freud. I agree with the fact that sometimes "a cigar is just a cigar." There are times when there is no need to look for the deeper meaning of something however that doesn't mean that analysis should be avoided completely. For example, if someone tells a story about war there is no need to analyze why the story makes you feel sad. You already know that it does because it deals with war there is no need to keep digging into it.

Jessi-poo<3 said...

Jessica V:

Daniel suggested that we should just let things be. I agree with this because sometimes there is not analysis to be done. If there is nothing behind the object or story why waste your time analyzing when tere is nothing to analyze? I also agree with Brian in tallking about Harry Potter. Some things are just not meant to be analyzed. Some pieces of text are only for fun and analyzing it only makes it homework. There is no fun to reading something if your alwasy thinking about the "secret meaning."

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Blanca said...

Blanca Hernandez
I agree with Jessica and Daniel about letting things be. I believe that there are a lot of things that aren't meant to be analyzed. For example I like songs that get straight to the point and say what they mean to say. Why should we analyze something that is straight to the point? Theres no need for it!!!

Ms. Levine said...

For homework, please respond to one new point posted here by one of your classmates. Credit earned by:
1. actually responding or challenging someone else's arguments
2. using the template
3. providing specific examples

nancy said...

I agree with Samara and Anali when they say that sometimes things are just not going to be given to you directly. Sometimes you need to really analyze a text or a situation. I don't agree with miriam when she says that if something is important it shouldn't have to be hidden. For example, if you were to look at a piece of art that is just composed of a series of colors you might think that it's not important because you can't see what it's trying to convey directly. However, that piece might be important because the colors could represent a series of emotions for instance, green can represent envy, red rage, white purity, etc. The painting is important because perhaps it's about what the artist is feeling. If the emotions were given directly then what makes it interesting to look at? Isn't art better when you have to really observe and appreciate the techniques used?

nancy said...

By the way that was Nancy M.

-Sorry you guys.

Bengosha said...

So basically what you're saying Wilson, is that we are worthless until we analyze fiction. You sir are crazy, and your skepticism makes me very angry. I agree that all humans have an emotional need for self-worth, but you can't find that in fiction, it has to be in real life. For example, a person with insecurities can't put themselves in a fictional character's place and feel any better. If they do feel any better it doesn't matter because it's not real. Like yo face fool!

DadaisGalletas said...

I think that all of you responding to my first comment are wrong. To all those of you who have complained that I'm wrong in saying that analysis is over done, I just want to say RE-READ my first comment because you either didn't read it all, or glanced at it, or misinterpreted what I was saying. I said that it usually is good to analyse a subject too. Yes I do think that sometimes we over analyse but frankly I don't think humans can ever NOT analyse (look back to my second comment for more of this rant).

DadaisGalletas said...

Oh, and I would also like to say thanks to all those who did agree with my opinions.
Moving on, I would also like to point out that although I like Sigmunds quote of "a cigar is just a cigar", I bet you all nine times out of ten that someone is looking at that cigar and wondering what it's doing lying out in the open and analysing it unconciously. I mean, like danny/david said, it scares me that people over analyse so much sometimes when they're not meant too. But people in general just do.
Margritte, one of my favorite painters, did one painting of a pipe and titled it "This is not a pipe." I believe that he the reason he did this painting was to satire and poke fun at people about how much they over analyse everything.
This is where you can find the margritte painting. The title is painted underneath the pipe in french but translates to "This is not a pipe" http://www.artinthepicture.com/artists/Rene_Magritte/pipe.jpeg

JCALDERON said...

I would have to agree Sigmund Freud and his statement that "..a cigar is just a cigar.." For example in movies directors aren't always searching for the perfect object to create sybolism.Pedro Almodovar movies and how he touches very much on the subject of protitution and sex in general. Personaly I think he does it mainly because sex sells in that industry. However others might believe that he does it because he wants to let his audience see diffrent views on this topic and convey it from lets say the prostitues point of view.

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daniel1491 said...

i have to say now looking back on the comments i agree with brian hall's opinions about talking about the reading and the subject to form more human bonds and types of relations, which leads me to agree with benjamin. I definetly agree with the fact that people nowadays sometimes lack in considering the many meanings that can come from one subject, and brian hall creates a good point when he says that the discussion of multiple meanings of something help to create a difference between reality and fiction.

michoakana said...

Nancy M. suggested a very great example of why analysis is important in our life. She uses abstract art to show that an emotion or understanding cannot be conveyed if we don't analyze. I completely agree with her because just as she mentioned colors can express many different emotions. This analytical process allows us not only to understand what the author wanted to say but also to express our own interpretation. Just as Gerald Graff mentioned "How we talk about books shapes how we read the books themselves."

Sternuens said...

This is Diana Arechar
Davey suggested that overanalyzing can lead to distortions and misinterpretations. I agree to a certain point that some people do look for deeper meanings in the smallest of things because they want to believe in something greater; like trying to find a miracle in a stain under a highway. I don’t agree with his last statement, if I understood correctly, because a musician’s message is not created off someone else’s emotions. It is possible to think that way because as human beings we all share a range on emotions and so an audience finds themselves thinking that the song relates exactly to their situation. “Audiences need to talk about the stories they read and to compare their interpretations in order to be sure that they have read the same story.” This quote Brian Hall’s essay comes to mind because we must share our experiences with each other in order to understand each other more and to understand even ourselves. Maybe the interpretations won’t turn out to be the same or from the same story but we must try to piece together our experiences in order to know that we are not alone.

Jessi-poo<3 said...

Jessica V.

I completely agree with Diana that we must share our experiances with eachother in order to better understand the text. In some cases, we have no idea what a text is talking about. In order for us to understand we take the different ideas and opinions of one another and piease them together to make an analysis that makes sense to us.

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Alexandra R. Castro said...

Alexandra Castro
I disagree with Miriam comment that something important wouldn't be hidden. Often when we write or speak we hold details that are important inside because they are either to sacred or valuable to reveal to someone who wouldn't care, or want to look deeper to understand.If that wasn't true than it would defeat the whole purpose of creating a secret or even kepting one. Which is why i think it is important to analysize some text,especially the expressive kind, like poetry and sometimes art.
Gerald Hall actually brought an important point about art.We see art and usaually people tend to accept the simplest interpretation.There is an artist by the name of Spencer Finch who has a particular artwork that seems to be a simple color palette of every shade of pink. So at first you think its stupid. That was my first impression. He just wanted to ripped of rich folks. However after I read the title and receive an explanation of the artwork I understood the content.
the link for artwork in below.
http://www.spencerfinch.com/view/?group=drawing
The artwork was entitled:

Trying to Remember the Color of Jackie Kennedy's Pillbox Hat
which is pretty self explanatory. His purpose for creating this artwork was to engage his viewers with his experimentation. So the viewers looked at the artwork and wondered to themselves... really what shade was it? and feel like they were part of the artwork as well.

This I think applies for text too. Writers write hidden message so that only the people who truely care will want to understand the content.

angelica91 said...

Although I agree with Yvette when she did the comparison of the Hitler thing and the Harry Potter; she has a good point, however, I don't see the point in which where we have to figure out that there was a comparison there. I read the Harry Potter books because they are so interesting, but not because I have to figure out there was a comparison there. I think fiction was created to entertain us and not to analyze. I feel like the only things that we have to analyze would b like graphs, history, and something other than fiction. For example, there is many fiction books that I enjoyed reading, but I feel like I don't need to analyze it because like Diana said it can lead to misinterpretations and what if I misinterpret and I don't like what I misinterpret. Then I am not going to enjoy the book that much anymore. Therefore, this is why I think fiction was not made to be analyzed.

angelica91 said...

By the way the comment above was from Angelica Alcaraz, sorry.

anali91 said...

I agree with Nancy M. and Alexandra C. that there are things that need to be analyzed. For example, art and poetry. Things are not always what they seemed to be, and you need to take a closer look at it to understand it better.
I would also have to agree with Angelica that analyzing something you enjoy takes the fun away. For example, I don't think people who really like Twilight would like to analyze the text. They just want to read and enjoy.

gina said...

Ana has made the comment that " if the text tells the you the meaning in a "right there" form, you really wouldn't ingrave it in your head because it had no impact in you." I agree with Ana's view. Earlier I had said that I agree with the first response. Ana's comment made a lot of sense so I changed my mind. One example I can think of is in The Things They Carried. Lets say instead of O'Brien using imagery to describe what he saw he just said "It looked horrible." Wouldn't that be a horrible book? If we analyze the imagery and come to the conclusion that the scenes O'Brien experienced were truly horrible wouldn't we get a greater impact? I completely understand how some think that analyzing just doesn't make sense. Sometimes I feel that way too. Its like they want us to write 10 pages of analysis on 10 words in a specific book. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Sometimes there isn't this overly complicated meaning and what the text is literally saying is what the message is. Analysis can important. For instance in poems. They are really sort so you really do have to analyze ever word and ever sentence to understand what the message the poet was trying to convey.

This is not Wilson said...

By focusing on the literal story, bengosha overlooks the deeper meaning of the text. Though I concede that some texts are plain, I still insist that some should be ravelously disected until the last ounce of meaning is out. Ha in yo face. *____*

loca42009 said...

I agree with Diana..

Now on the first comment Angelica made:
How did analyzing take the fun away if you had finished reading it?
What I'm understanding from you is that you like to read without knowing the books point?
In order to create characters and all that "fun" they need to add the challenging side of creatin it with literary techninques.

gina said...

Also I think Miriam is mistaken because her comments make it seem like analyzing is not important at all. Plato's interpretation of fiction talks about how fiction is just an imitation. He continues on to say that since it is an imitation it doesn't really show reality. So if it wasn't for poets and writers skills then all that would be there is a unrealistic flat story. So if writers and poets didn't add all these techniques and hidden messages for us to analyze then there wouldn't be a point to fiction. Therefore analysis is important.

(I tried to explain my point as best I could. I couldn't express in words what I am trying to say so I hope this made sense.)

Franco said...

I think Miriam Meza and all those who agree with her that “If a meaning is important, it shouldn’t be hidden" are mistaken because they overlook the idea that hiding the message is far more effective in leading the reader to understand it.

I say this because there is a very big difference in the effect it creates when you simply state a message directly and when you reveal a hidden message in the text. I feel that the message becomes more important when it is hidden, and the reader is in charge of discovering it.

For example, “I embraced my sister as I whispered to her that everything would ok and kissed her on the forehead” is more effective than stating the message: “I care about my sister a lot.” The first statement is more effective because it helps the reader relate to what that person is feeling towards the other by creating emotion unlike the second statement. This also makes the message more important because the reader can actually understand what is meant by it because they can see the importance of the message through the actions, imagery, and other techniques used in the text. Which by the way Miriam, you don’t need to know how to analyze a text in order for the text to create an effect on you. Therefore, you should still be able to recognize the message.

When you read a text, the hidden message is revealed to you through the effect it has on you, but a lot of times the message still appears to be slightly hidden because you can’t necessarily pin it down in your own words. That is where literary analysis comes in. If the message is still not completely clear to you because you haven’t been able to put it in words, you can analyze the text so that you will be able to transform the message as the effect it had on you into actual words.

Either way, with or without analysis, the reader should be able to reveal the hidden message, so it’s not like the writer is denying anyone the right to understand the importance of his/her text.


-Magaly Franco

Franco said...

I just went back to read some comments, and I noticed Ana and Gina have a similar point of view as mine; so I just wanted to add that I agree with them.

[freebooter]o_0 said...

Yeah Gina I get you!

If we took all the literary techiques away from the various forms of art, we would literary become less intellectual. In other words, we would become stupid (hope that's not considered a bad word hehe)since we wouldn't develop the skills to analyze. If we can't analyze a text, much less our own actions, mistakes, and so on.

frosted flakes,
Ana

[freebooter]o_0 said...

And therefore, I agree with megaly, too.

Anonymous said...

On one hand, I agree with Yvette in that sometimes it is good to analyze things. On the other hand, I also kind of agree with David in that some things are just what they are and should be left that way. For example, the clip we heard of the woman trying to write a love song required her to analyze what it was in a song that made us feel a certain way. However, using the same example one can also argue that some things shouldn’t be analyzed. When the young woman spoke to Phil Collins he just told her to keep it simple. Or the song we listened too in class; there isn’t much to analyze in the phrase “Love Stinks”
--Daniela

nando said...

i agree completely with what Nancy (i think Matias im not sure she didn't give an initial) said that analysis should not be avoided completely but only used when necessary. This is due to the fact that yes sometimes authors try to hide the true meaning of their work to make the reader work for it, but at the same time there can not be always a hidden meaning behind every word in a text. Analysis is like everything else in life it should be done with moderation and not over indulge in it because then you change the meaning of everything. If people always over thought everything then the original meaning of a sentence could be changed completely depending on the interpretation and it could be something completely different from what was originally intended.

Benjamin Barajas said...

I grant that i agree with nando up to a point, however i think that he doesnt take to account that writers sometimes write literature so that people can have their own personal interpretations of things. Sometimes as Freud said a "cigar is a cigar". However sometimes a writer expects for the cigar to be something else to differant individuals. Although writing can have some clear focus or meaning it the little details that make it differant to each person that make it beutiful.

Maria GhHHARR bahnn Zo said...

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I disagree with Anali disagreeing about MiriamM.'s comment that says that there is no point in hidden.....

i agree that at times you have to do "some" analysis to test becaause "not everything will be given to you directly. HOWEVER, the blogger says that its important meaning that should not be hidden. There are SOOOO many different interpretations for analysis that one can come up with because analysis allows us to do such a thing to a text. Manipulate it in a way which relates to us, or a situation. If the author wanted to create an important meaning, they should just say it. Because if it is that important, there is a possibility (great possibility) we would never find it through analysis.